We hear things retrospectively when we have understood them - Marcel Proust
Certainly a lawyerly approach. But what exactly does the satellite data measure? I thought the explanation offered by "warmists" is that air temperature may not be rising appreciably, because the heat is (for now) being absorbed by the seas. Maybe the President of the Sierra Club was inadequately prepared for this embarrassingly insistent encounter?
Embarrising yes, but why when the "07%" claim is trotted out is it never challenged, the facts about how that figure was arrived at has been in the public domain for some time but apart from Piers Corbyn recently I cannot think of a single person that has used the fact.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/
Apologies 97% should be the figure.
Sackers - the catastrophic CO2 theory is a theory about troposphere physics which requires catastrophic troposphere warming in response to continually increased CO2 concentrations. The satellite data Cruz refers to is troposphere temperature data which shows no global troposphere warming for almost 20 years in spite of steadily increasing CO2 concentrations. Ocean temperatures are irrelevant - either the troposphere warms catastrophically in response to CO2 or it doesn't. Satellites say it doesn't. The Sierra Club should have picked a more accomplished liar.Wiggia - the 97% argument is best ignored as just another irrelevance. It seems to be untrue as well, but one would expect answers to questions about global warming to be critically dependent on the question and the degree of anonymity.
AK: thanks for the clarification. Clearly that theory is wrong. Whether there are or will be different adverse effects, and to what extent these will be counteracted or reinforced by other processes, are doubtless fruitful and grantful areas for further investigation and debate.
Wiggia: thanks for the link. That was an eye-opener. Looks like 0.77% would be closer.
Sackers - a while back I tried to take a series of photos of vapour trails left by high flying aircraft. I aimed to show how a blue sky seems to turn milky as the vapour trails disperse, but the photos were not good enough to show what was visible to the eye.Not so long ago Penn State research showed how these vapour trails do indeed create cirrus ice crystal clouds which can affect surface temperatures. Add in the vast amounts of crud China pumps into the atmosphere and we have all kinds of possibilities. The CO2 game gets in the way and sucks up too much money.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/18/no-surprise-here-jet-contrails-affect-surface-temperatures/
I think I may have told you that when the skies were cleared of aircraft during the Icelandic volcanic eruption, we seemed to have lovely sunny days and cold, clear nights.
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